things I have seen called pedophilia on this hellsite with my own two eyes
– a relationship between two adults with the youngest being 25
– a high school senior dating a high school junior
– a college senior being sexually interested in a college freshman
– size difference fetish art featuring two adult characters
– consenting adults engaging in kink with other consenting adults
– writing about 2 teenagers of similar ages having sex
– shipping characters with vaguely defined ages who are treated as adults in canon
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telling kids that asexuality exists
– sex education
like, I shouldn’t have to ask myself if the person being accused of pedophilia is an actual child molester or if they reblog shippy vo|tron fanart
Antis: Why do people hate us for not liking pedophilia :////
Also Antis:*call out everything under the sun that isn’t pedophilia as pedophilia and then wonder why the fuck nobody takes pedophilia claims seriously anymore*
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I wrote this post on September 4th, 2017. It only took a month. (From that point on.)
False callout posts get hundreds if not thousands of notes (albeit at least half of them confused or rejecting the accusations), while posts trying to draw attention to individuals that might pose actual danger go ignored.
There’s something demonstrably harmful to minors and adults alike, especially to victims/survivors – it’s how much of a rhetorical nightmare shipping discourse is, and how much it actually desensitizes people to the subjects in question. You do not want people to become callous and dismissive, but the individuals continuously fabricating accusations, watering down definitions, making completely outrageous claims, and concentrating their opportunistic activism on ‘problematic content’ do everything possible to erode the patience, understanding, sympathy and empathy of the people around them.
Please, please stop trying to sell your ship wars as literally anything else. You’re doing more damage than any piece of fiction possibly could. This is how you are affecting reality, and the effect your actions have is unquestionably bad.
You have to start taking these subjects seriously again. You absolutely have to. When you’re not using certain terms correctly, you’re not respecting their meaning, and you don’t take what they stand for seriously enough, because in your mind the definition can be changed or applied to different things.
Shipping that deals with entirely fictional characters is inconsequential and amoral in every possible instance. This applies to drawn and written works, as well. Fictional characters aren’t real people. Real people law doesn’t apply to them. You need to understand this.
Here’s an example: Shipping entirely fictional characters -> creates no discomfort for the characters involved, because they are not real; the effect it has on you as a person is your responsibility
Creating/consuming explicit/mature content of entirely fictional characters -> creates no discomfort for the characters involved, because they are not real; the effect it has on you as a person is yourresponsibility
I’m talking about entirely fictional characters. This excludes the shipping of real people – actual living and breathing human people. Not historical figures. People that are alive today. A person. (We still know what a person is, right?) The shipping of real people is a different subject entirely, and it should be approached differently. Still not a crime. Just different.
The bottom line is: Stop treating fictional characters like real people. Stop implying that shipping ‘matters’. Stop involving serious subjects to give your anti-ship arguments more weight and meaning. It’s just a ship. Calm down. Stop claiming that fiction has a direct, constant, measurable effect on reality. (It has an effect, but not like you think it does.) Stop saying “This is abuse/incest/pedophilia/etc” when you really want to say “I don’t like it”.
Ok, but the hs senior- junior could *legally* be pedophilia. While the age gap is not huge, so it doesn’t seem like it, by the legal definition it could be pedophilia, if the junior is 17 and the senior 18. Legally, this is a legal adult dating a legal child.
I’m not saying, however, that this should be called out and a big deal should be made of it. The age difference is one year, which, in the real world outside of school, is *nothing*. There are more serious pedophilia matters to make a big deal of, like 30 year olds dating 17 year olds.
Ok, but the hs senior- junior could
*legally* be pedophilia.
No. That’s literally impossible.
The is no such thing as legal pedophilia (in the US).
A person >18 dating a person 18<
isn’t immediately pedophilia.
But you think it is, because this dumb fucking website keeps telling you that pedophilia means
‘a relationship with a minor when you’re an adult’. That isn’t
the definition of pedophilia.
Pedophilia means being attracted to
prepubescent children. PREPUBESCENT. CHILDREN.
REAL HUMAN PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN.
Okay?
The following applies TO REAL
PEOPLE
an 18 year old dating a 17 year old =
not pedophilia
an 18 year old dating a 16 year old =
not pedophilia
an 18 year old dating a 15 year old =
not always legal, but not pedophilia
an 18 year old dating a 14 year old =
not always legal, but not pedophilia
an 18 year old dating a 13 year old =
not always legal, pedophilic inclination might be present
an 18 year old dating a 12 year old =
likely illegal, pedophilic inclination might be present, also by
definition pedophilia
someone at or above 18 dating someone
below 13 (prepubescent) is likely engaging in a pedophilic
relationship. And the problem with that relationship is that the
younger person can’t give consent. That’s why it’s wrong. Because consent matters.
If someone, no matter how old they
are, can’t give consent, then you shouldn’t engage with them
sexually (for example).
Again, it’s not wrong because
children are ‘pure and innocent’ (stop linking infallibility,
validity and worth to virginity) and need to be ‘protected’ (they
do, but that’s beside the point, because there’s enough
people who scream ‘children need protection’ and then do
everything but protect them), it’s because prepubescent children can’t give consent.
Why do you think pornography
featuring people below the age of 18 is wrong? It’s because 18 is the
Age of Majority and there’s a collective agreement that people below
the age of 18 shouldn’t and can’t make the decision to have a sexual
act featuring them recorded, because there are societal repercussions
to that sort of thing. If it’s commercial, it’s also a financial,
legal contract. If the child is prepubescent and below the age of 13
it’s child pornography, and an act of child abuse. Adolescent
pornography and child pornography are wrong for different reasons
that also have a certain overlap.
Then there’s assholes who think that
a woman with a petite frame is ‘close enough’ to pedophilia, or that
someone dressing up a certain way is ‘close enough’ to pedophilia,
etc – which is wrong, and beside the point.
In the UK, for example, a woman needs to have at least C-Cup breasts
to star in pornography, because otherwise her body represents a
‘slippery slope’ into pedophilia. If that isn’t aggressive
body-shaming, then what the fuck is.
Again,
none of this applies to fiction, because fictional characters aren’t
real people. They don’t have rights, and the law doesn’t apply to
them. No crimes are committed, and there are no victims. If you see
something you don’t like in fiction, you can ignore it. If you’re
witness to a real
crime, you shouldn’t
ignore it. If you have an interest in ‘problematic’ content, it
doesn’t inherently make you
a ‘problematic’ person, it doesn’t even make your interests
‘problematic’ – because it’s all inconsequential. It’s fictional.
It doesn’t matter. It can be ignored, and there won’t be any
consequences. It’s just thoughts
and make-belief,
regardless of the medium.
Real crimes matter because they’re real, because there
are consequences, because it isn’t thoughts and make-belief, but
because it’s action.
Not
exposing yourself to fiction that makes you feel bad is on you (although it certainly won’t
hurt for others to provide means for you to be able to avoid it).
Preventing real crimes is on everyone
– that’s the basic concept of why we have laws. It’s a collective
agreement to not do a bad thing.
There
was no short or concise way to say this, and it needs to be said over
and over again, until the people who think that thought
is equal to action
finally understand.
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