Yeah, I get that about the discipline having to be negotiated, and to me it’s because being punished for not following a rule that wasn’t explicitly stated just seems unfair, and as a sub myself that would turn me right off. I read a fic once where the sun was genuinely upset about something and snapped at their dom because of it and the dom responded by acknowledging that they had a right to be upset but then punishing them anyways even though they weren’t in a good state of mind, which… bleh

yes I absolutely understand what you mean. 

obviously everybody has a right to their own personal tastes and I would never say anybody is wrong for enjoying one trope or the other. (I have my guilty pleasures as well).

However, I personally, like the controlling aspect in D/s relationships. Negotiated rules that are to be followed by both parties; the sub feeling safe due to the rules clearly set-up; knowing exactly what will happen if they do this over that.

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